RE: [ATFE2] Re: Agricultural aromatherapy
Hi Rachel,
I believe you are referencing Marrone Bio Innovations, Inc. They are not
"Maroon Organics", which is completely misleading to the layperson, and
their products are not completely organic. They manufacture some products
they claim are intended for organic production, but these products are not
comprised entirely of biochemicals and I am not sure they have official
certified organic status. As an instance, their Greenmatch EX Burndown
Herbicide is 50% lemongrass oil and 50% water, corn oil, Glycerol Esters,
Potassium Oleate and Lecithin. I believe that Glycerol Esters are primary
ingredients in a clinical toxicological investigation of delayed neuropathy
and acute poisoning from another pesticide product. Potassium Oleate has
been linked to cancer, developmental/
immunotoxicity and contamination conerns. Moreover, a number of organic
pesticides recently failed a EU safety review.
We cannot forget that all pesticides (from organic source or not) are
intended to "kill" pests. And both can be deliterious to the environment
and other living beings including man. Looking for organic replacements for
synthetic chemical pesticides grossly overlooks the fact that what is really
necessary is to learn an entirely different method of farming. One from
which no monetary profit can be derived. This is no doubt anathema to some.
Permaculture - crop rotation, composting, companion planting, nurturing
beneficial pests (ones that eat the bad guys) . . . All reduce the need for
fertilizers and pesticides. Organic methods are grounded in the philosophy
of feeding and enriching the soil in such a way that you reduce or
completely eliminate the crutch of dangerous and damaging
fertilizers/
substitute for bad chemicals because you would have to apply as much of the
alternative and you would inevitably cause much the same problem as with
synthetics. And, as I have pointed out, these products are NOT organic.
Here's a good resource to learn more http://ofrf.
I recently posted this wonderful talk by Michael Pollan (whom I deify and
wish would have become our Top Ag Guy under Obama) on my fb page. You will
certainly get a sense of the true meaning of organic and the word symbiotic.
The part about cows/chickens should certainly open eyes as an example of the
optimum process, which has nothing to do with capitalizing on a short
sighted substitution of one killer over another.
http://tinyurl.
You state that Pam Marrone says . . . "80 percent of today's biopesticides
are used in conventional farming . . . " A glaring question is, "Why
aren't they being used in organic farming?" The answer is that organic
farming doesn't require them.
Our industry has its own back yard to clean up. Essential Oil production is
not entirely eco-friendly and overharvesting (not to mention deforestation
for new crops) is abusive to the point of diminishing and disappearing
species. We have just begun to address the issues of fair trade in the
essential oil industry and have a long way to go. As another essential oil
purveyor, I would not choose getting overly vested in sales of large
quantaities of essential oils as pesticides which will further increase
demand and stress already overly stressed production capability. Doing this
while at the same time remaining ignorant about the true problems of
sustainability is, in my mind, akin to criminalty in this century of major
worldwide food crises.
Sorry if I come across harshly, but I am really tired of the ignorance of
those who claim to have a "natural" philosophy that is not reflected in the
intelligence of their business practices.
Be Well,
Marcia Elston, Samara Botane/Nature Intelligence
http://www.wingedse
http://www.aromacon
"The most commom way people give up their power is by thinking they don't
have any": Alice Walker
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>
> With that idea they are living in cloud cuckoo land. Lavender oil is
adulterated on a vast scale due to not enough being grown at an economic
price to meet demand. So to use it on crops is a none starter. This looks to
me like the hundreds of thousands of other research papers produced to get
some wannabe scientists their degrees, or a higher level diploma, or
invitations to conferences around the world. The UK MPs expenses scandal is
insignificant compared to the money wasted on impracticale science research.
>
> Martin Watt
>
Dear Martin,
While I appreciate your valuable opinion I just wanted to provide you with
an update: on my side of the planet essential oils are being used for
farming quite a bit. I have supplied plenty of farms over the years in the
U.S. and Canada by the drum. Rosemary and Peppermint Oil for a brussel
sprout farmer, clove oil to a potatoe farmer, thyme oil to coat seeds as a
protective agent, d-limonene for weed control, by the way it works just a
good as round-up.
The EPA created a list FIFRA 25B,here you will find the following essential
oils cedar, citronella, cinnamon, clove,garlic,
rosemary, thyme. These ingredients are exempt from regulation at the federal
level for use in farming and the creation of biopesticides. Your head would
spin if you could see all of the products being formulated off of this list.
A leading company in the biopesticide industry is Maroon Organics. Here is
an excerpt from the Internet "We are proud to be in the biopesticide
business, a crop protection category that is growing, maturing and realizing
widespread acceptance in agribusiness globally," said company founder and
CEO, Pam Marrone, upon making the announcement.
"What many don't realize is that more than 80 percent of today's
biopesticides are used in conventional farming. At Marrone Bio Innovations,
we are dedicated to discovering, developing and marketing products for
today's and tomorrow's pest management challenges. All of our products are
derived from biological, or natural, sources, and are as effective as
conventional synthetic chemical pesticides."
So you see Martin, there is a movement away from the use of deleterious
chemicals that have wreaked havoc on our planet to a more natural approach.
Since the 1950's nearly 80,000 chemicals have been manufactured in the U.S.
for use in just about everything, with little or no testing. Smart,
innovative people are using things from the past to improve the way we do
things in the future. I once had a business partner that poo-pooed every new
idea that came across his desk because he was the "expert authority," on
oils. Needless to say we didn't see eye to eye on much of anything. All that
I can say is that there's a great big world outside of Aromatherapy.
Be well,
Rachel Markel
Managing Partner
www.eoilco.com
www.eoilcolab.
www.GreenTerpene.
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[ATFE2] Essential Oils As Dietary Supplements For Dairy Cattle?
"Essential oils are also being considered as a way to improve or alter
rumen fermentation with a naturally occurring compounds rather than
commercial additives or antibiotics. The objective in altering rumen
fermentation is to reduce methane gas production and increase
propionate and butyrate production, resulting in more efficient growth
and reducing greenhouse gases. Like monensin, essential oils may
affect the cell membranes of gram negative bacteria or others can act
within the cell of gram positive bacteria."
Interesting.
More here -
http://www.cattlene
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Re: [ATFE2] Re: Agricultural aromatherapy
Hi Rachel
Barrier H (a licensed product used for ragwort control in the UK) is
made using only natural plant derivatives from sustainable resources
and contains 22.9% Citronella Oil.
You are right, there is a large - international - movement looking for
innovative ways to use essential oils as pest & herbicidal controls,
with great success. Thanks for the information about the US side :-)
Liz.
> Dear Martin,
>
> While I appreciate your valuable opinion I just wanted to provide you with an update: on my side of the planet essential oils are being used for farming quite a bit. I have supplied plenty of farms over the years in the U.S. and Canada by the drum. Rosemary and Peppermint Oil for a brussel sprout farmer, clove oil to a potatoe farmer, thyme oil to coat seeds as a protective agent, d-limonene for weed control, by the way it works just a good as round-up.
>
> The EPA created a list FIFRA 25B,here you will find the following essential oils cedar, citronella, cinnamon, clove,garlic,
>
> A leading company in the biopesticide industry is Maroon Organics. Here is an excerpt from the Internet "We are proud to be in the biopesticide business, a crop protection category that is growing, maturing and realizing widespread acceptance in agribusiness globally," said company founder and CEO, Pam Marrone, upon making the announcement.
>
> "What many don't realize is that more than 80 percent of today's biopesticides are used in conventional farming. At Marrone Bio Innovations, we are dedicated to discovering, developing and marketing products for today's and tomorrow's pest management challenges. All of our products are derived from biological, or natural, sources, and are as effective as conventional synthetic chemical pesticides."
>
> So you see Martin, there is a movement away from the use of deleterious chemicals that have wreaked havoc on our planet to a more natural approach. Since the 1950's nearly 80,000 chemicals have been manufactured in the U.S. for use in just about everything, with little or no testing. Smart, innovative people are using things from the past to improve the way we do things in the future. I once had a business partner that poo-pooed every new idea that came across his desk because he was the "expert authority," on oils. Needless to say we didn't see eye to eye on much of anything. All that I can say is that there's a great big world outside of Aromatherapy.
>
> Be well,
>
> Rachel Markel
> Managing Partner
> www.eoilco.com
> www.eoilcolab.
> www.GreenTerpene.
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[ATFE2] Re: Agricultural aromatherapy
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>
> With that idea they are living in cloud cuckoo land. Lavender oil is adulterated on a vast scale due to not enough being grown at an economic price to meet demand. So to use it on crops is a none starter. This looks to me like the hundreds of thousands of other research papers produced to get some wannabe scientists their degrees, or a higher level diploma, or invitations to conferences around the world. The UK MPs expenses scandal is insignificant compared to the money wasted on impracticale science research.
>
> Martin Watt
>
Dear Martin,
While I appreciate your valuable opinion I just wanted to provide you with an update: on my side of the planet essential oils are being used for farming quite a bit. I have supplied plenty of farms over the years in the U.S. and Canada by the drum. Rosemary and Peppermint Oil for a brussel sprout farmer, clove oil to a potatoe farmer, thyme oil to coat seeds as a protective agent, d-limonene for weed control, by the way it works just a good as round-up.
The EPA created a list FIFRA 25B,here you will find the following essential oils cedar, citronella, cinnamon, clove,garlic,
A leading company in the biopesticide industry is Maroon Organics. Here is an excerpt from the Internet "We are proud to be in the biopesticide business, a crop protection category that is growing, maturing and realizing widespread acceptance in agribusiness globally," said company founder and CEO, Pam Marrone, upon making the announcement.
"What many don't realize is that more than 80 percent of today's biopesticides are used in conventional farming. At Marrone Bio Innovations, we are dedicated to discovering, developing and marketing products for today's and tomorrow's pest management challenges. All of our products are derived from biological, or natural, sources, and are as effective as conventional synthetic chemical pesticides."
So you see Martin, there is a movement away from the use of deleterious chemicals that have wreaked havoc on our planet to a more natural approach. Since the 1950's nearly 80,000 chemicals have been manufactured in the U.S. for use in just about everything, with little or no testing. Smart, innovative people are using things from the past to improve the way we do things in the future. I once had a business partner that poo-pooed every new idea that came across his desk because he was the "expert authority," on oils. Needless to say we didn't see eye to eye on much of anything. All that I can say is that there's a great big world outside of Aromatherapy.
Be well,
Rachel Markel
Managing Partner
www.eoilco.com
www.eoilcolab.
www.GreenTerpene.
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[ATFE2] Oils therapeutic value over time
I'm still very new to aromatherapy and am trying to learn more. With that in mind, please bear with me if this seems to be a dumb question - no question is dumb if you don't know the answer, right?
Here goes...I have oils whose scent lingers for a while. For instance, vetivert. I don't like the smell in the beginning, but after a while it has a pleasant woody scent. My question is once the oil is probably evaporated, but yet the scent lingers, would it have any therapeutic value left? Thanks.
Janet
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[ATFE2] Re: intro and quest
Agreed there is lots of evidence that distillation was know about in Ancient times. What there is no evidence of, is that they used it to create essential oils. Those stills used for aromatic plants seemed to have been principally for the production of aromatic waters. The perfumes were all animal fat or vegetable oil extracts, and made using the crude resins. During distillation, doubtless they noticed the fine layer of oil, but if they went further to collect that as a separate item I can see no evidence of.
Destructive distillation was also used to make tars which are nothing like a distilled oil.
The biggest use of stills seems to have been to extract crude kerosene for oil lamps from the natural pools of crude oil that popped up all over the Middle East.
Martin
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>
> Hi All,
>
> I've done a bit of research on this . . . we are learning more and more as
> archaeologists continue to unearth history and it is all fascinating to
> unravel. A recent excavation in northwest Pakistan shows evidence that
> alcohol was distilled (rudimentary) as early as 500 BC, however the practice
> only became common somewhere between 150 BC and 350 AD (quite a spread of
> time and not accurately pinpointed yet). Most probably, alcohol
> distillation using an alembic was attributed to Jabir ibn Hayyan around the
> 8th century. The Latin verb, stillare, is translated as both "to distill"
> and "to drip", so the search is still on to pinpoint exactly when the latter
> became the former. Joseph Lambert, in Traces of the Past, writes about a
> wooden Etruscan ship that sunk off the coast of Giglio ca. 800 BC made with
> tar extracted from pine wood. A sophisticated GC/MS has been used to
> identify ancient resins used to preserve a mummy, and a reconstruction of a
> mediviel apparatus for producing the tar depicts a vessel sunk in the ground
> to collect the tar with an upper vessel filled with the bark or wood being
> extracted with holes in the bottom to allow the tar to flow down into the
> collection vessel. The two are sealed so that a fire can be built in the
> pit surrounding the upper container to heat the wood to a point of
> extracting the tar. The analysis found crudely refined bitumen in the tar,
> which only could be produced by high heat. We've been enthralled by this
> article http://www.theregis
> archaeologists discovered the world's oldest perfume . . . 4,000 years old.
> This of course, is long before the purported time of Jesus. However, the
> technique of burying a long-necked jug filled with herbs, oil and water over
> embers for 12 hours would be closer to what we call 'infusion'.
>
> None of this, of course, is true distillation, which requires vaporization
> and condensation. These reports, however, perhaps are the beginnings of the
> long journey to "pure" distillation with steam or water that we attribute to
> having invented somewhere in the 11th Century.
>
> Be Well,
> Marcia Elston, Samara Botane/Nature Intelligence
> http://www.wingedse
> http://www.aromacon
> "The most commom way people give up their power is by thinking they don't
> have any": Alice Walker
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> From: ATFE2@yahoogroups.
> Martin Watt
> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 4:51 AM
> To: ATFE2@yahoogroups.
> Subject: [ATFE2] Re: intro and quest
>
>
>
>
>
> Ditto on what Marge said. All this stuff about sacred essential oils is
> hogwash promoted by Young Living. It is highly unlikely that any essential
> oils were around during the several hundred years over which the Christian
> stories were written. Certainly infused oils and resins were used. Of course
> I am assuming when using the word "sacred" that you mean the Christian uses
> as there are numerous other religious practices that use "sacred" plants or
> their extracts.
>
> The only books that I would half trust are those written by botanists on the
> Ancient uses of plants, or perhaps Lisa Maniche book on Ancient Egyptian
> medicinal plants. At least she can read the glyphs on the monuments but
> cannot always put a plant to what the glyph says. This is always the problem
> when dealing with Ancient uses of plants. Often the dialect used to write
> about them is not fully understood by modern users of that language.
>
> Martin Watt
> http://www.aromamed <http://www.aromamed
> http://www.aromamed <http://www.aromamed
>
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> > Hello,
> >
> > My name is Lori and I want to say thank you to the moderators for their
> warm welcome. It has been a while since I signed up so apologize for the
> late intro. I am trying to find a resource on sacred use of essential oils
> and am only finding aromatherapy novels and MLM garbage on the net. I would
> like an authoritative publication to use as a reference guide that addresses
> the oils used historically in world religions. Maybe Martin or someone else
> here could make a recommendation for me. Thank you.
> >
>
>
>
>
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[ATFE2] Re:intro and quest
At 04:31 AM 5/20/2009, you wrote:
>We've been enthralled by this
>article http://www.theregis
>archaeologists discovered the world's oldest perfume . . . 4,000 years old.
>This of course, is long before the purported time of Jesus. However, the
>technique of burying a long-necked jug filled with herbs, oil and water over
>embers for 12 hours would be closer to what we call 'infusion'.
>
>None of this, of course, is true distillation, which requires vaporization
>and condensation. These reports, however, perhaps are the beginnings of the
>long journey to "pure" distillation with steam or water that we attribute to
>having invented somewhere in the 11th Century.
Thanks, Marcia... I had missed that..or forgotten it.
Since 1995 - supplying Aromatherapy and Healthcare Professionals
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RE: [ATFE2] Re: intro and quest
Hi All,
I've done a bit of research on this . . . we are learning more and more as
archaeologists continue to unearth history and it is all fascinating to
unravel. A recent excavation in northwest Pakistan shows evidence that
alcohol was distilled (rudimentary) as early as 500 BC, however the practice
only became common somewhere between 150 BC and 350 AD (quite a spread of
time and not accurately pinpointed yet). Most probably, alcohol
distillation using an alembic was attributed to Jabir ibn Hayyan around the
8th century. The Latin verb, stillare, is translated as both "to distill"
and "to drip", so the search is still on to pinpoint exactly when the latter
became the former. Joseph Lambert, in Traces of the Past, writes about a
wooden Etruscan ship that sunk off the coast of Giglio ca. 800 BC made with
tar extracted from pine wood. A sophisticated GC/MS has been used to
identify ancient resins used to preserve a mummy, and a reconstruction of a
mediviel apparatus for producing the tar depicts a vessel sunk in the ground
to collect the tar with an upper vessel filled with the bark or wood being
extracted with holes in the bottom to allow the tar to flow down into the
collection vessel. The two are sealed so that a fire can be built in the
pit surrounding the upper container to heat the wood to a point of
extracting the tar. The analysis found crudely refined bitumen in the tar,
which only could be produced by high heat. We've been enthralled by this
article http://www.theregis
archaeologists discovered the world's oldest perfume . . . 4,000 years old.
This of course, is long before the purported time of Jesus. However, the
technique of burying a long-necked jug filled with herbs, oil and water over
embers for 12 hours would be closer to what we call 'infusion'.
None of this, of course, is true distillation, which requires vaporization
and condensation. These reports, however, perhaps are the beginnings of the
long journey to "pure" distillation with steam or water that we attribute to
having invented somewhere in the 11th Century.
Be Well,
Marcia Elston, Samara Botane/Nature Intelligence
http://www.wingedse
http://www.aromacon
"The most commom way people give up their power is by thinking they don't
have any": Alice Walker
_____
From: ATFE2@yahoogroups.
Martin Watt
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 4:51 AM
To: ATFE2@yahoogroups.
Subject: [ATFE2] Re: intro and quest
Ditto on what Marge said. All this stuff about sacred essential oils is
hogwash promoted by Young Living. It is highly unlikely that any essential
oils were around during the several hundred years over which the Christian
stories were written. Certainly infused oils and resins were used. Of course
I am assuming when using the word "sacred" that you mean the Christian uses
as there are numerous other religious practices that use "sacred" plants or
their extracts.
The only books that I would half trust are those written by botanists on the
Ancient uses of plants, or perhaps Lisa Maniche book on Ancient Egyptian
medicinal plants. At least she can read the glyphs on the monuments but
cannot always put a plant to what the glyph says. This is always the problem
when dealing with Ancient uses of plants. Often the dialect used to write
about them is not fully understood by modern users of that language.
Martin Watt
http://www.aromamed <http://www.aromamed
http://www.aromamed <http://www.aromamed
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<lkschuster@
>
> Hello,
>
> My name is Lori and I want to say thank you to the moderators for their
warm welcome. It has been a while since I signed up so apologize for the
late intro. I am trying to find a resource on sacred use of essential oils
and am only finding aromatherapy novels and MLM garbage on the net. I would
like an authoritative publication to use as a reference guide that addresses
the oils used historically in world religions. Maybe Martin or someone else
here could make a recommendation for me. Thank you.
>
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